okay, deputy director. >> pamela levin, deputy director of building inspection. ted yam could not be present today because of a medical emergency. what he was asked to do was talk to references and find out what positions that were similar in scope and level to what we're asking for for the director of building inspection and to talk to the references that are provided by the vendors to get their experience, how they -- what kind of positions that were on the recruitment, whether they were satisfied with the vendor, whether they were satisfy i had with the level of service, whether they were satisfied with the amount of money, it was a full type of vetting. he did it very professionally with a full list of questions and as should be done, he asked the same questions to each of the vendors. as a result he discovered ralph anderson and associates had not conducted a similar search of chief building official for director of building department and therefore has moved on and feels that it should be then short listed to two because that was one of the things that was